Jonah Kowall, CTO at Logz.io, talks with Alan on a number of trends related to the observability and security industries. Jonah dives into the current cloud-native SIEM model, how it is broken, and how a modern approach to SIEM leads to more agile SecOps. He also discusses the role that the true cloud-native SIEM plays in solving the “security poverty line”, while making the job of the modern SOC team easier. Then, he gets real about DevSecOps and addresses the confusion and overhype around it.