DevOps is Doing Great, Thanks | Shimmy Says Ep. 24

Hey everyone, it's Shimmy, and welcome to another Shimmy says, you know, I wanted to talk this week about something kind of near and dear to me, and that is DevOps. com. com in March of 2014.

Been working on it a while before that, and I mean, hey, timing is everything, right? I, I was fortunate and lucky enough, and it's better to be lucky than smart sometimes. I was fortunate and lucky enough to be in the right place as DevOps ascended and became ascended.

And you know, over the last two years we've, we've heard, you know, first there was that whole DevOps is dead thing. They get platform engineering oxygen, but that was pure marketing. But we've seen, let, let's say less of a, less of a emphasis on DevOps, less attention on DevOps.

It, it almost is just there. And that's not necessarily a bad thing for technology because I think it shows a level of maturity where people don't necessarily question it. No, you don't hear what is DevOps does.

DevOps works. Yes, it works. And a lot of the DevOps companies, you know, call themselves DevSecOps companies because that works too.

One of the things though that, you know, gets me going is so much of the chitter chatter. So much of the oxygen getting consumed out in the social media sphere is by analysts who, you know, purport to cover the space. And I'm not saying they're dumb or bad or anything like that, I just questioned their view of the space.

And, you know, recently, I've had a chance to run into that twice in the last couple days. com, and it's about my good friend John Willis. You know, one of the greatest gifts that DevOps has given me is the chance to meet the people who really pioneered the OGs of DevOps, if you will.

And other than Patrick Dubar himself, couldn't think of a bigger OG than my friend John. He, he really did so much to lift DevOps up. com, that it's not just about the tools, it's about the people.

It's about the culture. It's important, it's not lip service if you don't pay attention to the people in culture. You don't really have DevOps, you just have DevOps tools and like any other tool is, it's just a tool.

Um, so, you know, go John. And as I've said in the, in my article in many ways, John is still the true north, the north star for DevOps. He hasn't lost sight, you know, him and Damon brought us cams and everything else.

And so much of that fundamental foundational work around DevOps and DevSecOps is still true today. It, it's true whether you're a platform engineer or an AI engineer or SRE or anything else, DevOps is there. People are using it and it works with all of these things.

Now, on the other hand though, I saw two analysts this week put out stuff on my, it showed up on my LinkedIn feed. One, one was a Gartner analyst who, who he's calling it like he's a doctor in the emergency room and the patient died that, uh, Schiff left is dead. We should all be so dead shift left has succeeded.

Shift left. If you were here when we started this thing you'd know is the fact that we're gonna start looking at security further left in the production pipeline. Now, what I think he really meant, and he just in typical Gartner fashion maybe is trying to grab a headline or some click, is that developers are not security people.

Newsflash, stop the presses. We've been saying that for three years already. We can't expect security people to, I mean, excuse me, we can't expect developers to become security people.

They care about the quality of their code. No one wants to deliver insecure code. And what we found is if security companies make security tools for developers, it doesn't go over so well.

And I think many companies have found that and they've pivoted and, and come back to it and done it, right? Companies like NY, for instance, right, are really have, have fine tuned that really well, but moving security further into the development pipeline is not dead and it's not a bad thing. And when you get a firm like Gartner coming out and saying this, well, I gotta tell you the truth, I question, I question how much they know about DevOps.

And if you look at the history of DevOps, Gartner's never been one of the leading lights in the DevOps space anyway. So yeah, developers aren't security people, but the rumors of Schiff left's death are very premature. And I, I think we'd be better off without that kind of kind of click datey stuff.

Another analyst and, and it's actually someone who I respect from IDC, I'm not gonna mention names, but he came out with a DevOps DevSecOps market report Just this week, I believe. 4%. I, I'll be honest, I think that's a little conservative, but all right.

I, I'm not, you know, I don't consider myself an analyst, though I did stay in the Holiday Inn Express last night. 6 billion market projection. What gets me is, here's his market analysis, here's the companies he covers as the leading lights in the DevOps tool space.

And I just wanna make sure I get this right. Leading vendors in the DevOps software tools market. Yes.

And here they are. Microsoft, Atlassian, Datadog, Dynatrace, Broadcom, IBM, and New Relic. All good companies.

Are they the leading lights in the DevOps space? IBM hasn't mentioned DevOps in about three years. They, they've moved away from DevOps, they're into other things.

Datadog's a leader in observability, Atlassian, JIRA. Absolutely. I could see that being in there.

Not Dynatrace is a decent company. New Relic, they've had their ups and downs, but let's call 'em what they are an observability company. Microsoft, I'm not sure if he's talking about Microsoft Azure, DevOps or GitHub, which is part of Microsoft.

Or maybe he doesn't consider DevOps a GitHub, a DevOps tool, though it's clearly A-C-I-C-D tool. com and cloud native now and platform engineering. How do you do a report?

And granted he has rest of market represents 55% of the report. How do you even put out this report without mentioning the leading DevOps companies? com.

Now I know what you're gonna say, shimmy. You guys are part of Futurum, you're an analyst firm too. Yeah, we are.

The guy who covers DevOps here is a guy. You've probably seen him if you've been around Techstrong, his name's Mitch Ashley. You ask Mitchell who the leading DevOps companies are, and he's gonna tell you, and I guarantee that he will name most of these, but he's gonna name most of the ones I named too.

And then some. I I, I don't think these analysts do US justice or themselves justice or they put out reports or, or statements like Shift left is dead, et cetera. You know what?

DevOps isn't going anywhere. DevOps is well settled, you know, it, it's just part of the part of the way we do things. But I expect more in a world of AI where these guys can go out and do research pretty easily to have better, better information, better conclusions.

As a matter of fact, with ai, I don't know how much longer we're gonna be relying on these kinds of reports. 'cause I think AI could pull this data itself themselves. We spoke about futurum Signal, I think it was last week or the week before it, you know, this is the AI up to second reports.

Instead of getting a report here in August about the 2024 DevOps market, how do we as a, as an industry function on reports that talk about things that happened at best nine months ago, eight months ago? It's beyond me. Anyway, here's a little advice you want to keep up on the DevOps market.

com. Watch our DevOps, uh, unbound control alt deploys, Textron gang, cloud native. Now we cover DevOps every day.

You wanna watch stay on top of DevOps. Follow up Mitchell is is doing over at Mitch. Ashley's doing over at FU because if this is the best they got, it's not good enough guys.

I'm sorry. You know what, Shimmy's never short of an opinion. I call him as I see him, his garbage.

We're outta here. Have a great week. Shimmy says, shimmy says.