Leah Rivers and James Brookbank of Google joined TechStrong TV to discuss the evolution and impact of internal developer platforms (IDPs). Leah, who is Director of Product Management at Google’s internal developer platform, combines her background in computer science and anthropology to drive human-centric technological solutions. James, Cloud Solutions Architect Manager focuses on the cloud-specific aspects of Google’s platform. Together, they introduced the concept of “shift down”—a natural progression from “shift left”—which emphasizes removing complexity from developers by embedding critical capabilities directly into the platform. They discussed how platform engineering is not replacing DevOps, but evolving it by offloading global problems from individual teams. AI’s growing role within Google’s IDP was also addressed, with a focus on safe integration and maintaining developer autonomy. This interview highlighted a shared industry journey, despite organizational scale, the challenges in platform engineering are universal and deeply rooted in both technical and social dynamics.