Cedric Gegout, Canonical | KubeCon + CloudNativeCon Europe 2023

This is texturung TV. Hi everyone, it's Alan Shimel. And we're back here at Cloud nativecon.

Right also known as cube God. We're only 10,000 people. We're in Amsterdam Mike pizzard and I have been interviewing people all day.

Let me introduce you to our next guest his name is and I'm gonna do my best on this but my French is weak. His name is Sugo. Cedric Sugitu yeah, perfect.

No one's ever gonna confuse me for a French waiter. But hey, we do the best we can so Jake welcome to Tech strong TV. Thank you very much.

As important is to Jake's name is I show some mentions tajik is with canonical or of course the people behind the buntu still, you know, I won in the most popular Linux distributions in the world has been for 20 years 25 years 18 years 18 years. Yeah. Yeah mark from the Ubuntu 18 years ago indeed.

Yeah crazy. I I was around that. But anyway, So you may ask what is canonical in Ubuntu doing a cloud native, right?

What? What is the connection? What is what brings you here?

Well, first of all, I happen to know canonicals been involved in the cncf for very very long time. So obviously since the beginning It is a Linux Foundation Foundation. But specifically this year here in Amsterdam.

You guys have two. Big announcements that were made at the show. So Jake if you don't mind, why don't you share with our audience a little bit about them?

Sure. Yeah. So basically here we are here in kubecon because I actually we really want to promote the fact that communities should be easy for everyone.

So it should be what we call zeroops one of the key products that were promoting is Michael cakes and Mike. Okay. It's actually easy to deploy easy to maintain easy to upgrade to an end with add-ons version of kubernetes that can address multiple use cases.

In one common line, you can install a kubernetes cluster in two command line. You have ha you have service mesh. You can connect to it.

You don't have to be knowledgeable about kubernetes. You don't know how you don't have to know how to configure it. But you want to use it and you want to really develop Cloud native applications.

Mycocket is a tool for you. Right but you don't want also to have just something which is for development purposes. You want a unify experience and Ubuntu experience from development devops to production at scale.

My cockat is really the tool for that right because It can run a scale in production and we I'm sure we will speak about the usage of Ed Cloud Edge Cloud, but this is actually a very hot topic those days. so Edges is certainly a Hot Topic, but you know when we start thinking about zero off, so we start talking about zero Ops. com the nine years ago 10 years ago now.

Actually, yes, 10 years ago 10 years ago. So it was Ops then it was devops. Then we started hearing about no Ops.

Then there was sort of new Ops. none of them have really it seems like the names change but the mission stays the same. Right?

Right. I think there is a change here. I think there is acknowledgment that.

Devops before was perceived like platform engineering right? It's like, okay. We need to build a lot of things orchestrating a lot of components and then we need complex tool configure to configure all those components actually now people realize that no, they need to have yes orchestration of the pipeline, but they need to have easy Appliance to deploy right even in the devops use case.

You want to create your kubernetes instance. Do all the test that you have to do and then to remove it because you don't want to use resource. If you don't if you don't have demand about it, right so this use case is very, you know important for us to address and that's why we have microcades because you can actually as a devops engineer create your communities instance do all the integration test that you want to do.

Maybe you want to offload to public Cloud on that why we created Mike Hawk it on AWS. So you have an AWS Appliance in one click you create a community instance you play with it. When you are done, you decommissioned the pipeline, right?

So this kind of use case where indeed you don't have to actually configure everything in term of communities. But what you are looking for is a unified experience and something really to learn this is where devops is going. Right?

So so then the complex is devops is really about again orchestrating the pipeline. But each component that you are running needs to be in a way of well packaged. Well with a let's call it to zero Ops envelope around it, right?

I love it. there is one point which is important is you don't compromise about security as well. Why security should be part of the equation and for us it's very important.

It's part of the Ubuntu Pro experience where you will have all the things that I mentioned but it will be continuously patch will be continuously update, you know with fixing critical severity because security was behind us in a way, right? Everybody now wants to have something for you. I agree with you security So I've been in security for 25 years.

And and you're absolutely right security was always at the back of the bus. Right it was bolted on after. and now in the last year two years, excuse me security has become.

Front and center and everything not just you know OS but of course, but here I know what that noise is. I don't know if it's coming out but but here is the the Crux. Here's the problem.

We've had the ability to patch and to remediate. OS and applications for years Getting people to automate to just say okay. Hey, like, you know for instance on our phone.

No one thinks twice the phone updates it no one says anything. Yep. When we go to update instances in the cloud or a server.

with Mission critical stuff running I don't want you to update it so quick I could. They've almost and this used to upset me people. will more upset about if the security patch some broke something down the road down the line.

Then they were about being in having an insecure, you know, sure thanks table of armor. Yeah, but you know, yes a fully agree with you and that's why you know, we are promoting the technology so that such as snap right because First when we do an upgrade when we with the Ubuntu life patch, okay for we update with snaps we updates applications, right? If there is something wrong for instance, you can still hold back.

So it's a very safe way to patch it. Right and the technology just a snap is very useful for those guys those those use cases but also in the iot use cases where actually you it's not a server here, but it's a device but this this device should not have any run time done time. Sorry, right, so you want to update You you don't load the new AppSec and then you'd like a firmware updates when it's ready you update and then you reboot just the device.

Right? So the done time is limited to very very few seconds. Right?

So this is a kind of use case where we are working on and this is the technology that we have built so far in order to make it happen. Another probably take us into an edge discussion too. As you start talking about.

Yeah see yeah. Yeah, we move here. You see I'm moving to the right see what you doing there.

Yeah. So yeah. Because what is age Cloud at the end of the day is just you know, putting the all the iot space in the in the in the cabinet or rack which is close to the antenna, right?

So in the age Cloud use cases, what you really are looking for is zero UPS because the field engineer what you will do is install the cabinet. Switch on the machine and do something else and you will have thousands of each cloud like this. Right and we are walking on you on scenarios where you will have 20,000 each Cloud for Telco in our country like France for instance, right?

So in this case, You want really zeroops for each of the edge clouds that you have deployed? Okay. Also each Cloud that connected to the notes the network Operating Center and our monitored right?

But but if something is going wrong, you reboot it or you update you roll back to the previous version, etc. Etc. So all the technology we just discussed needs to be there.

Right? So and now we see exactly this use case which is feasible with microcades with zero ups with things also that we are doing already for one year, which is Michael Cloud. So if you look watch out on the micro Club because we will have some announcement for the next Cube conference.

And and this is you know it we are walking with some partners and some customers on those use case and we believe that we have the right technology and the right support from the comment the open source Community is to make it happen. Actually, I wanted to come back to the security offering you mentioned was in a good Pro. And it's great.

I think you know. All getting and talking aside. It's important security is job one for all many many all of us But if we agree it's so important will we see this kind of filtered down?

To you know, the the freedom tools and they're not the pro version. So we don't have different versions when I'm going to call it's a subscription, right? So either you are an individual and you want to have Ubuntu Pro you subscribe to it, but it's free for you because you have only one machine for small businesses.

That's the same you are actually you when you have deploying more at scale than yes, you need to actually have support from us which required to pay for the subscription. Right? But we want to be sure that the economics are actually very meaningful for the people that want to keep their environment secures because at the end of the day our mission is to amplify the usage of Open Source, right?

This is what we're trying to do and for that You need to have a secure stable environment, right? So let me just get this straight up for individual users who may be running Ubuntu on their laptop or maybe a server a workstation. Or for small businesses under 10 or whatever.

The number is. com slash Pro price right now the description which is aligned with basically what I just describe, right? So, you know as important it is as it is for Enterprises.

Just as important, you know, if you're a small business those couple of servers or you know machines you have are really important to you as well. Right? Yeah, and if you are Developer you want to have against the same experience, but you don't want to compromise exactly.

So why you have you know, you have one machine why you want to pay only for that right? Yeah, but if you want to go to production and it's real business that you are running you need to be, you know, you need to have a secure communication and support from canonical right actually. So Jake I want to thank you for coming in.

Thank you guys, but pleasure did we give the URL from good throw? com? com.

I was just say that I can Monaco has a big business besides mundu as well. We have a company behind Ubuntu but we're promoting obviously also going to community and all of our fans are here and it's it's a pleasure to meet all our fans here 10,000 people. All right.

Hey, Going to take a break. We'll be back in a minute here if live from Amsterdam, this is Alan Shimel for Tech strong TV.